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#1 Derevo

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Отправлено 28 October 2014 - 11:21

Эта тема создана для готовых иноязычных материалов о катастрофе mh17. Добавляйте сюда Ваши переводы или же стоящие материалы, в том числе и оригиналы, по теме. Цель - быстрое нахождение информации для распространения. Склад, т.к. здесь работа над переводами не ведется, они тут "складируются".

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Отправлено 28 October 2014 - 11:24

RT "MH-17 The Untold Story" EN


Published on Oct 22, 2014

Three months after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was violently brought down from the skies over Ukraine, there are still no definitive answers to what caused the tragedy. Civil conflict in the area prevented international experts from conducting a full and thorough investigation. The wreckage should have been collected and scrupulously re-assembled to identify all the damage, but this standard investigative procedure was never carried out. Until that’s done, evidence can only be gleaned from pictures of the debris, the flight recorders or black boxes and eye-witnesses’ testimonies. This may be enough to help build a picture of what really happened to the aircraft, whether a rocket fired from the ground or gunfire from a military jet.

Кадры фильма частично совпадают с материалами другого фильма на русском
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MH-17 Прерванный полет" RU

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Отправлено 28 October 2014 - 12:34

Russian Ministry of Defence briefing on MH-17 Boeing 777 aircrash. 21.07.2014



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Отправлено 28 October 2014 - 12:37

Moscow raises 10 questions surrounding MH17 crash
There are still more questions than answers on the catastrophe. And Russia's Defense Ministry is demanding information from Kiev. RT's Maria Finoshina reports.



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Russia’s Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov criticised western countries for jumping to conclusions so quickly after flight MH17 crashed last Thursday in the conflict area of eastern Ukraine and told RT television on Friday that he has 10 questions for the Kiev authorities.



“They try to show to the whole world that we [Russia] are responsible for the crash. It is very strange that without any evidence my colleagues from western media would like to find somebody who is responsible for the crash,” Antonov said.

His 10 questions for Kiev

1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses BUK missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defence forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

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Отправлено 30 October 2014 - 14:13


Голландцы зашевелились.Главный голландский прокурор расследующий крушение MH17 на востоке Украины, не исключает возможности того, что самолет мог быть сбит с воздуха, сообщает Der Spiegel. Данные в поддержку этой версии были представлены Москвой в июле.



Статью можно перевести на русский, либо же прямо брать, например, Голосу Севастополя.



MH17 might have been shot down from air – chief Dutch investigator


Published time: October 27, 2014 21:31


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George and Angela Dyczynski sit on a piece of wreckage of the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17, during their visit to the crash site near the village of Hrabove (Grabovo), in Donetsk region July 26, 2014. (Reuters/Sergei Karpukhin)



The chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine does not exclude the possibility that the aircraft might have been shot down from air, Der Spiegel reported. Intelligence to support this was presented by Moscow in July.
The chief investigator with the Dutch National Prosecutors' Office Fred Westerbeke said in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel published on Monday that his team is open to the theory that another plane shot down the Malaysian airliner.
Following the downing of the Malaysian Airlines MH17 flight in July that killed almost 300 people, Russia’s Defense Ministry released military monitoring data, which showed a Kiev military jet tracking the MH17 plane shortly before the crash. No explanation was given by Kiev as to why the military plane was flying so close to a passenger aircraft. Neither Ukraine, nor Western states have officially accepted such a possibility.
Westerbeke said that the Dutch investigators are preparing an official request for Moscow’s assistance since Russia is not part of the international investigation team. Westerbeke added that the investigators will specifically ask for the radar data suggesting that a Kiev military jet was flying near the passenger plane right before the catastrophe.

"Going by the intelligence available, it is my opinion that a shooting down by a surface to air missile remains the most likely scenario. But we are not closing our eyes to the possibility that things might have happened differently,” he elaborated.


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A picture taken on October 15, 2014 shows the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 near the village of Rassipnoe. The flight MH17 was shoot down on July 17, 2014 with 298 people on board. (AFP Photo)


The international probe led by the Dutch - as nearly two-thirds of the victims were from the Netherlands - has not yet established how the crash happened. A preliminary report issued in September said only that the plane crashed as a result of structural damage from outside.

Meanwhile, a report issued by the Dutch Safety Board on air crashes, listed several passenger jets in flight MH17's vicinity, but no military aircraft nearby.

In regard to this report Westerbeke said that the statement was based on information that was available at the time suggesting Russia could have more information on the issue.


Though the West has accused Eastern Ukrainian militia forces of shooting down the plane, it has provided only circumstantial evidence in support of such claims. Moscow has urged the US to release satellite images that prove its claims.

“This may be a coincidence, but the US satellite flew over Ukraine at exactly the same time when the Malaysian airliner crashed,” a Russian Defense ministry spokesman said in a July statement.


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Nadezhda, a 76 year-old woman, walks on October 15, 2014 among the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, near the village of Rassipnoe. (AFP Photo)


In his interview to the German media, Westerbeke also called on the US to release proof that supports its claims.

“We remain in contact with the United States in order to receive satellite photos,” he said.


German’s foreign intelligence agency reportedly also believes that local militia shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, according to Der Spiegel. The media report claimed the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) president Gerhard Schindler provided “ample evidence to back up his case, including satellite images and diverse photo evidence,” to the Bundestag in early October.

However, the Dutch prosecutor stated that he is “not aware of the specific images in question”.

“The problem is that there are many different satellite images. Some can be found on the Internet, whereas others originate from foreign intelligence services.”

The Kiev government and Eastern Ukraine rebels have accused each other of shooting down the plane. Kiev released what it calls an intercepted conversation between rebel fighters in which they admit to downing a plane.

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A picture taken on October 15, 2014 shows candles and plush toys at the site of the crash of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 near the village of Rassipnoe. (AFP Photo)


The Dutch prosecutor stated that “we will need evidence and more than a recorded phone call from the Internet or photos from the crash site. That's why we are considering several scenarios and not just one.”

The Dutch investigators have come under criticism especially from the relatives of the victims, who blame the probe for slow progress.

Westerbeke elaborated that it will take a long time to establish what really happened adding “we certainly need the whole of next year for work”.

“It’s not easy, but we can do it."

Westerbeke concluded that in the Netherlands 10 prosecutors are investigating the incident, as well as forensic experts and 80 policemen. While the Dutch also regularly hold meetings with colleagues from Malaysia, Australia and Ukraine.


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Отправлено 05 November 2014 - 16:15

Так и брать?
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Отправлено 05 November 2014 - 16:35

А чего чикаться?
Пусть берут как есть. Источники указаны.
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Отправлено 07 November 2014 - 03:18

Источник ушел для намякивания
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Отправлено 10 November 2014 - 18:27

Вот ещё одно отличное видео выложенное всего через 4 дня после крушения Боинга. Парень американец, делает свой любительский анализ произошедшего буквально по горячим следам, доказывая что произошедшее - подделка, фолс-флаг с целью опорочить оплченцев и Россию. Интересный момент в середине - про нумерологию. Тут как и в предыдущих фолс -флагах всё замешано на символизме цифр. В этот раз обыгрываются цифры 17, 7, 777. Без ритуалов им никак нельзя обойтись, нечистая сила всё-таки. Это видео можно брать в готовом виде, перевод на английский не нужен. На русский вот можно перевести, хотя нам же не нужно доказывать кто это сделал. Ну можно 5-ю колонну этим видео в глаза кольнуть - вот вам: сами же ваши американцы говорят кто расстрелял самолёт!
Оппозиция на Западе набирает вес с каждым днём. Их обзывают конспирологами, но там умные дядьки есть. Честные и хорошие люди есть. Их аудитория быстро растёт, к ним прислушивается всё больше и больше людей. Они - наши союзники, друзья, надо только объединить усилия.




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Отправлено 10 November 2014 - 18:54

Верю. но посмотреть не могу. Был бы текмт - перевела бы. Все. Сплю.
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Отправлено 15 November 2014 - 12:14

В связи с опубликованным вчера снимком со спутника сегодня на первом канале развёрнутый сюжет об этом.
В сети идут споры - подделка или нет. http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/271859

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Отправлено 15 November 2014 - 18:07

В связи с опубликованным вчера снимком со спутника сегодня на первом канале развёрнутый сюжет об этом.

Я подправила ссылку на видео, т.к. она не работала.
Если Вы считаете, что этот сюжет стоит перевести, то лучше написать об этом в теме "Отбор статей", а перевод потом уже поместить тут. Для материалов о Боинге на русском есть отдельная тема. Не хотелось бы разбрасывать информацию по разным веткам.
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Отправлено 12 January 2015 - 12:48

Статья в английской MailOnline (интернет версия газеты Daily Mail) за 10 января 2015
+ фотографии и видео украинского лётчика Владислава Волошина, предполагаемо сбившего Боинг.



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First pictures emerge of Ukrainian pilot pro-Russian rebels claim downed MH17 killing all 298 victims on board
A picture has emerged of the Ukrainian pilot alleged to have been the 'executioner' of MH17
The Russian Investigative Committee is calling for Captain Vladislav Voloshin to take a lie detector test
A'secret witness' say he took off in a combat jet, armed with missiles
When he returned he was 'scared' saying MH17 was in the wrong place
Voloshin has denied that he was involved in the loss of MH17
298 victims lost their lives onboard when MH17 was shot put of the sky
By WILL STEWART IN MOSCOW
PUBLISHED: 11:15, 10 January 2015 | UPDATED: 15:30, 11 January 2015

This is the first picture of the Ukrainian air force pilot alleged by pro-Russian rebels to have been the 'executioner' of the 298 victims on board doomed Malaysian Airlines flight MH17.
The Russian Investigative Committee - equivalent of the FBI - is calling for Captain Vladislav Voloshin to take a lie-detector test and face formal questioning, asserting there is compelling evidence against him which should be considered by the Dutch-led official probe.
Believed to be in his late 20s, he was named by stems from a 'secret witness' at his Dnipropetrovsk air base who says the pilot took off in his Su-17 combat jet on 17 July last year armed with air-to-air missiles.

This is the first picture of the Ukrainian air force pilot alleged by pro-Russian rebels to have been the 'executioner' of the 298 victims on board doomed Malaysian Airlines flight MH17
He returned without them soon after the Boeing 777 was blasted out of the sky, it is alleged.
After landing Voloshin was 'scared', muttering that the incoming 'aircraft' - supposedly MH17 - 'was in the wrong place at the wrong time', according to the unnamed Ukrainian serviceman, now under guard at a secret location in Russia.
The Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former classmate of Vladimir Putin, insists that the witness has passed a polygraph test and his testimony is credible.

The Russian Investigative Committee - equivalent of the FBI - is calling for Captain Vladislav Voloshin to take a lie-detector test and face formal questioning, asserting there is compelling evidence against him which should be considered by the Dutch-led official probe
Volshin has not spoken directly on the loss of MH17 but denied through his superiors that he was responsible. Ukraine blames Russia for a crude propaganda stunt in naming him.
Since the horror, Moscow has repeatedly claimed that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian warplane in the skies close to the Malaysian plane, while also vigorously denying the West's analysis that it was hit by a BUK missile fired by pro-Moscow rebels.
The pro-Moscow rebel media in eastern Ukraine has already branded Voloshin as 'the pilot who shot down MH17', showing archive footage of him which it labels 'the future executioner'.

The Investigative Committee, headed by Alexander Bastrykin, a former classmate of Vladimir Putin, insists that the witness has passed a polygraph test and his testimony is credible
'Let Voloshin take a lie-detector test with Dutch or Malaysian experts,' demanded Investigative Committee's spokesman Vladimir Markin.
'Representatives of the Russian Investigative Committee are ready to leave for Ukraine at short notice with all necessary equipment for testing pilot Voloshin and all others who might know anything about the crash.'
He demanded that the Ukrainian military should make a full disclosure of its flight logs on 17 July, the day MH17 was shot down, and allow Russia to interrogate its air traffic controllers.
Referring to Ukrainian secret services, he said: 'We're waiting for a response from the SBU.'
SBU official Markiyan Lubkivskyi insisted Voloshin was not engaged in combat flights on 17 July, the day MH17 was downed, and had not used weapons against aerial targets in the current conflict.

Voloshin denied he had shot down MH17, and had no idea why the allegation was being taken seriously in Russia
'The officer made no flights that day, and his aircraft was under repair because of damage inflicted during landing on 16 July,' he said, accusing Moscow of a bid to 'discredit' Ukraine.
Voloshin denied he had shot down MH17, and had no idea why the allegation was being taken seriously in Russia, he said.
The pilot has not spoken directly to the media over the incident.
Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, Oleksandr Turchynov, accused Moscow of using propaganda to 'hide the crimes organised by the Russian Federation, including against civilians' in relation to flight MH17.
He said: 'A great deal of evidence, including data from satellite observation, has proved that terrorist groups controlled by the Russian military shot down the passenger aircraft'.

Secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, Oleksandr Turchynov, accused Moscow of using propaganda to 'hide the crimes organised by the Russian Federation, including against civilians' in relation to flight MH17
They used 'a Russian BUK surface-to-air-missile system', he said.
But Moscow is now poised to give its 'whistleblower' sanctuary under its witness protection programme, so preventing him being prosecuted in Ukraine, it is understood.
'As the witness may be in danger, investigators are considering providing him with state protection,' said Markin.
He already has a pseudonym 'in the interests of his security'.
'The facts and information that the witness possessed and shared - clearly and without getting confused - convince the investigators that his testimony is truthful, something that, by the way, a polygraph test has confirmed,' said Markin.

Six weeks after the MH17 crash, Voloshin's plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine. He ejected, and escaped from the rebel-held region
He 'personally' saw Voloshin's warplane 'loaded with R-60 type air-to-air missiles, with which Su-25 fighters were not normally equipped'.
His aircraft returned without these missiles.
Markin claimed the account supported other witnesses who testified that 'not long before the crash they saw a warplane in the air in close proximity to the passenger airliner.'
He said that 'the Investigative Committee will continue gathering and analysing all information about the disaster.
'If members of an international commission investigating the crash are indeed interested in finding out the truth and decide to request information from us, we are ready to share all available data.'

The crash killed all the 298 people on board the Boeing, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur
Six weeks after the MH17 crash, Voloshin's plane was shot down over eastern Ukraine. He ejected, and escaped from the rebel-held region.
He is a graduate of Kharkiv Air Force University.
Two days after the crash, he was among a number of airmen awarded the Order of Courage by Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko.
The crash killed all the 298 people on board the Boeing, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.


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